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Livejournal's just done the first dumb thing since it was bought out by SUP. 100 days without pissing people off is pretty good compared to the SixApart days, but that's hardly much of a comparison.

What have they done?

New account holders can no longer create Basic accounts.

Note that this only applies to new accounts. If you've been enjoying a "Basic" (what was, in my day, called a "Free" account and required a friends code... back when this were all fields) account for a while and never wanted to plaster ads over your personal journal or flist, then you continue doing so.

Personally, this is not the massive betrayal that drama-whores are pretending it is. Far greater was when SixApart started plastering ads all over the site's infrastructure rather than only in ad-supported journals. Anyone who thinks this is worse can blow me. Imposing ads on those who have paid to not see them (on the login page, f'rex) is worse than saying "you can use all our features and see some ads, or get rid of the ads and get some more features for $20". It's the same as subscribing to RPG.net or SA or anywhere else that lets you pay to get rid of ads.

Or you could just use a browser that comes with built-in ad-blocking, because ads turn a site's readers from consumers into a product that is sold to advertisers.

But yeah. Not yet as evil as 6A.

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baronsamedi
Mar. 13th, 2008 09:35 am (UTC)
I generally agree. Not the sort of crap 6 apart pulled but kinda scummy. Not gonna go off the deep end though. I wonder why they made the advisory board tho, assuming this brad person is being on the level. PR I guess, but if so it is really backfiring now.
fiat_knox
Mar. 13th, 2008 10:05 am (UTC)
Not entirely unexpected
When 6A was taken over, I never for one minute thought that the new owners would be any better than the last. In fact, I was pretty much resigned to the thought that they would, in fact, be worse.

I haven't been proven far wrong.
digitalraven
Mar. 13th, 2008 01:35 pm (UTC)
Re: Not entirely unexpected
You honestly think this is worse than what 6A did?

What the fuck planet do you live on?
fiat_knox
Mar. 13th, 2008 03:06 pm (UTC)
Re: Not entirely unexpected
It's really not what the previous owners did. That's now the past.

It's what the present owners could do. And that's the future.

There's nothing in the statute books that says that the present owners can, or will, deliver the services 6A once delivered, or uphold the policies 6A had regarding the showing of ads, and this change could well be the start of a lot of changes - including revoking even existing basic accounts and forcing everyone, down the road, to accept ads - even adopting a policy of "the more you pay, the fewer ads you get" rather than "subscribe to avoid ads altogether."

The feeling I get from this small change is that we're the frog, they're the water, and someone just turned up the heat a little bit. Only a little. But they're not done turning up the heat yet, are they?

And incidentally, while there's nothing that says that SUP have to continue applying the same egregious Puritanical heavy-handed policies of 6A during Strikethrough '07 ... there's no rule that says these guys can't, or won't, revisit them at some point in the future.
mythicfox
Mar. 13th, 2008 10:48 am (UTC)
Or you could just use a browser that comes with built-in ad-blocking, because ads turn a site's readers from consumers into a product that is sold to advertisers.

I was at a friend's house the other day, who doesn't have an ad-blocker plugin for his copy of Firefox... I wanted to show him something on Penny Arcade and realized I'd completely forgotten that PA ever had banner ads to begin with. Not two minutes later, I was pointing him to Adblock Plus and my world was back to its previous balance. I was serene again.
figg
Mar. 13th, 2008 10:50 am (UTC)
Note that this only applies to new accounts.

If you've been enjoying a "Basic" account for a while and never wanted to plaster ads over your personal journal or flist, then you continue doing so.


Yes. New accounts. I do not wish to encourage people to sign up to livejournal if the only way is filled with adverts.

Also continuing the obnoxious policies of 6A is no better than the introduction of them.

It's the same as subscribing to RPG.net or SA or anywhere else that lets you pay to get rid of ads.

It is now the same as other sites run for profit. I mean, who doesn't like captialism?

Or you could just use a browser that comes with built-in ad-blocking, because ads turn a site's readers from consumers into a product that is sold to advertisers.

Blocking the adverts does not stop websites selling infomation for market research purposes.
digitalraven
Mar. 13th, 2008 01:42 pm (UTC)
Ahh, hyperbole and drama.

Yes. New accounts. I do not wish to encourage people to sign up to livejournal if the only way is filled with adverts.

Except that isn't the only way. You can also pay twenty Yanqui pesos. Just as it was when friends codes were the norm. You got a code||put up with advertising, or spring for a paid account.

Also continuing the obnoxious policies of 6A is no better than the introduction of them.

No, it is much better. Because it's not introducing other obnoxious policies.

It is now the same as other sites run for profit. I mean, who doesn't like captialism?

Companies require money to operate, fact of the capitalist world economy. Water wet, sky blue.

Blocking the adverts does not stop websites selling infomation for market research purposes.

Which is nowhere near the point at issue, which is the presence of ads.
figg
Mar. 13th, 2008 04:56 pm (UTC)
"Also continuing the obnoxious policies of 6A is no better than the introduction of them."

"No, it is much better. Because it's not introducing other obnoxious policies."

What? You're not better by being no worse.


"Companies require money to operate, fact of the capitalist world economy. Water wet, sky blue."

News just in, large community site spotted at urban75 without subscriptions or advertisements. There is a difference between running a website and running one at a profit.




figg
Mar. 13th, 2008 04:58 pm (UTC)
Secondly, I don't see this as 'outrage of the week' but 'continual signs of decline'.

I didn't like the ads, or the sponsored communities, etc. It is impossible to provide a social forum without exploiting the members for cash in one way or another?
coaldustcanary
Mar. 13th, 2008 12:49 pm (UTC)
It's still pretty damn bad. Saying, "Well, it's not as bad as when they fucked us over last time" while insinuating that anyone who finds it problematic is a flaily drama queen is ridiculous.

I didn't like the ads all over the place, and I don't like that ad-free accounts have gone the way of the dodo, either. It speaks to SUP, just like 6A, totally lacking any sense or understanding of their customer base. It also speaks poorly of SUP actually heeding the words of their much-touted Advisory Board if Brad isn't digging it and actually spoke against it.
digitalraven
Mar. 13th, 2008 01:45 pm (UTC)
Finding it problematic is one thing. Being a flaily drama queen because it's something that LJ management has done is quite the other.

Brad is an example of the former. 95%+ of the whining bullshit around the issue at present is the latter. And quite frankly, they can fuck off. Getting whiny doesn't help at all and actively hurts--ad hominem is not a way to start a reasoned dialogue.
coaldustcanary
Mar. 13th, 2008 02:42 pm (UTC)
It's LiveJournal. What do you expect? :P
spudtater
Mar. 13th, 2008 10:12 pm (UTC)
Sheer momentum is the only thing keeping me here...
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