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Love and Monsters

My spoiler free review:

Well, that was a bit shit, really. Certainly worse than Father's Day or Boom Town.

Which is a pity, as apart from the first couple *coughRTDchoke*, this series has been good.

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coaldustcanary
Jun. 17th, 2006 09:34 pm (UTC)
*did too, lots*

In my defense, I'm a mushy sentimentalist.
digitalraven
Jun. 17th, 2006 09:42 pm (UTC)
"Raaar! We have space demons because some cock got rid of the Time Lords and we need to enforce some form of causality. Why space demons? Who knows. Not us. We don't tie up loose ends or indeed give a shit as long as Billie Piper gets another chance to look like a panda-eyed sentimental chav in lieu of actually acting."
adders
Jun. 18th, 2006 11:07 am (UTC)
Oh, I loved tonight. It just delighted me endlessly. I'm still giggling now.

Side effect of being a wanky Eng Lit graduate with too much interest in deconstruction and Barthian analysis, I suspect.
digitalraven
Jun. 19th, 2006 12:28 pm (UTC)
Side effect of being a wanky Eng Lit graduate with too much interest in deconstruction and Barthian analysis, I suspect.

Not entirely. I have a lot of interest in deconstruction and Barthian analysis. But just because something's postmodern doesn't mean that it's also crap.
adders
Jun. 19th, 2006 12:30 pm (UTC)
*shrug*

I found it multi-layered, with lots of clever ideas in it. You could read the episode at least three different ways, and that's what makes it so delightful.

I think one of the things people miss is that the whole episode is related through the eyes of an unreliable narrator. We never see anything that Elton himself doens't witness.
daedalus668
Jun. 18th, 2006 03:49 pm (UTC)
I wasn't too pleased with this episode, either. But in it's defence, the whole point of it was to put the winner of a Blue Peter design-a-monster competition onto the screen, so I guess they could only work with what they had.

But yeah, it was still a bit crap. Looking forward to Rose's brutal demise at the hands of the Cybermen, though. Mwahaha.
(1: Piper leaves at the end of this series. This has already been in the 'news'. 2: It's already been prophesied that Rose is going to die in battle. 3: As you've said RTD is nothing if not predictable, and why spend all that money on the Cybermen suits just for two episodes? That alternate reality had a John Lumic, so why not this one.)
coaldustcanary
Jun. 18th, 2006 05:53 pm (UTC)
Rose isn't gonna die. Jackie is. *nods* I'm convinced.
daedalus668
Jun. 18th, 2006 06:00 pm (UTC)
OR Rose will die saving Jackie from being turned into a Cyberman, having seen her get converted in Bizarro-world.
coaldustcanary
Jun. 18th, 2006 09:52 pm (UTC)
I have utter confidence that Rose won't die, no matter how coy they're getting with the hints. It would be interesting if done well, but they're not gonna go there.
digitalraven
Jun. 18th, 2006 07:45 pm (UTC)
It makes more sense for both the chav cretins to die. Messily.

But then, I've never really been convinced by Piper (or her mum) on their majority of outings (Livejournal of a Dalek was a nice counterpoint). Doctor Who does not need a fucking Eastenders subplot.

It could be worse. She could be Bonnie fucking Langford.
coaldustcanary
Jun. 18th, 2006 09:49 pm (UTC)
I may be newer to this Doctor Who thing than you are, but even I know that "making sense" doesn't figure into the equation at any point, really.

I rather like Rose most of the time, and Jackie is...funny, usually. I think the overarching plot this season has been just handled really clumsily to the point where it's eye-rollingly annoying. Obviously a lot of it has been a set up for Rose to go at the end, having Learned Something and Grown As A Person after spending time with the Doctor but Not Actually Getting To Experience Kinky Tie!Porn Sex with him no matter what the fanfic says.

But for the build up to go somewhere, someone has to die or almost die, and they wasted their "bring people back to life" cards last season. They won't kill Rose because the fanbrats will cry, so it has to be Jackie to give Rose a reason to leave. With nothing. Because that's what happens when you date have UST with flirt annoyingly with get close to the Doctor.
nickys
Jun. 19th, 2006 01:32 pm (UTC)
> put the winner of a Blue Peter design-a-monster competition onto the screen, so I guess they could only work with what they had.

The concept of a monster which absorbs its victims while allowing a part of their personality to remain in existance is actually quite a good one with a lot of potential for plotlines.
And while it did look like Fungus The Bogeyman, so did the Vogons in the original series of Hitchhikers Guide.
I think the kid did a pretty good job in giving them a workable monster.

What went wrong was that RTD couldn't get past the fact that the designer was nine years old, so he kept treating it as huge joke instead of a valid story idea.
All that stuff where Elton and the Doctor kept getting the name wrong, for example, had no purpose other than to say 'This is a silly name. Look at the silly name, everyone!'
spudtater
Jun. 20th, 2006 12:42 pm (UTC)
Quite. I thought it was a very workable idea — even if it's not exactly original! (Fair dues to the 9-yr-old, though.)
nickys
Jun. 19th, 2006 10:25 am (UTC)
> apart from the first couple *coughRTDchoke*, this series has been good.

I'd say that this one was less bad than his other two.
But yes, he should concentrate on his other jobs and leave the writing to somebody who looks as if they've thought out a storyline, rather than making it up as they go along. And who can manage more than two sentences without using the word "Torchwood"...
digitalraven
Jun. 19th, 2006 12:33 pm (UTC)
I'd say that this one was less bad than his other two.

No. The other two didn't have the air of something "meta" to distract people from how bad they were; and even without that they were by no means as fucking awful as this one. There was nothing to this episode but a lot of self-referential piss-taking and Peter Kay being badly miscast. The piss-taking would have been fine if it were done with style, rather than as something that wouldn't make it onto a Benny Hill reject tape.
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